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It calls itself a defensive alliance, defensive.

So we have to try to understand we have to sort of push through all of this to try to understand what it is.

So basically, NATO is a huge topic and it’s surrounded by a considerable amount of smoke and a vast number of mirrors. PEPE ESCOBAR: It’s a huge honor and pleasure to be with you guys and with this fantastic audience, of course. He’s a Brazilian journalist, geopolitical analyst and author.

Many of you will, of course, know who he is. RADHIKA DESAI: And in order to do this, on today’s show, we are joined by none other than Pepe Escobar. RADHIKA DESAI: And today we propose to discuss NATO in the aftermath of its recently concluded Vilnius Summit, exploring a variety of questions about how its assault on Russia is faring and the prospects of extending its sphere of operations to what NATO leaders like to call the Indo-Pacific. RADHIKA DESAI: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the 15th Geopolitical Economy Hour, the fortnightly show on the political and geopolitical economy of our times.

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